Hi Stephen, Don’t worry, the discussion is still very active. But yes, we still are planning to incorporate ironic using metal kubed. A driver for that to reduce the amount of custom code that Airship needs to drive provisioning – in the target state, the plan is metal kubed + cluster API will care for, * Ironic-based machine provisioning * Kubeadm-based cluster management * Declarative interfaces for the above Like you said, this does present a chicken and egg problem around using a k8s cluster to provision a k8s cluster. We’re designing for that now – in some use cases an ephemeral cluster can be spun up, and in some there would be a centralized management cluster (we call this “cloud harbor”) already. We have notes, draft design docs, and design meeting recordings if you’re interested, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Airship_OpenDesignDiscussions and you’re most welcome to join the design discussion as well (times listed on our wiki https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Airship) Thanks, Matt From: Stephen Nemeth <kbaegis@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, June 19, 2019 5:17 AM To: airship-discuss@lists.airshipit.org Subject: [Airship-discuss] Divestiture Hi there everyone, Is airship still interested in incorporating openstack ironic for deployments? While metal kubed and cluster-api are cool, this simply increases the dependencies to run airship to begin with doesn’t it? It functionally assumes that you already have kubernetes available just to deploy a new kubernetes environment. Am I missing something critical here? Sorry in advance for being late to the discussion. Thanks, Stephen