[Airship-discuss] Airship Community Events: US Daylight Savings Time

[Jaesuk Ahn]

Hi Matt,

I really appreciate your long and kind response.
I still believe community should have "a common way of understanding, not
influenced by a certain region's specific situation", including "what time
this meeting is happening".
However, I also do understand what you are saying, difficulty of finding a
good time for everyone, and those decisions need to be made by & for the
active participants.

For now, acknowledging my opinion and explaining logically are more than
enough for me. Thanks again. :)

Stay safe and healthy.


2020년 3월 11일 (수) 오후 11:04, MCEUEN, MATT <MM9745 at att.com>님이 작성:

> Hey Jay,
>
> Thanks for the feedback; that's definitely something we'll keep in mind as
> we want to encourage/include Airship collaborators from around the globe.
> A couple things which have led us to our present mode of operation:
>
> It's not only the US that suffers from DST - most areas in Europe and
> North America observe it (albeit start/end times don't always align).
> Since that's where the majority of Airship contributors are, we want to
> avoid conflicts/confusion on their behalf when possible.
>
> The US itself is a broad country, and since we have many contributors on
> the west coast, we need to be considerate of their ability to join in the
> early morning -- balanced against the ability of contributors in the
> eastern hemisphere to join as well at the end of their day.  That doesn't
> leave a lot of good time slots, and when DST changes, commitments like
> school start times, traffic patterns, etc. change with them.  We've added
> recording to all of our audio-based calls to help ensure clarity & openness
> with collaborators unable to attend.
>
> We've explored many different schemes over the last few years, in an
> effort to encourage participation from additional countries - fixed UTC
> time, recurring meeting voting, alternating times, multiple meetings, etc.
> At the end of the day, the folks working on Airship are the folks who
> attend their working meetings, and we need to serve them.  We are always
> completely open to adjusting meeting times, formats, etc, but experience
> has shown to me that those decisions need to be made by & for the
> participants, rather than in an effort to entice folks to become
> participants.
>
> As someone who thinks DST is a terrible idea, I hope we can escape from
> the whole confusing mess at some point!  In the meantime, I think we'll
> just need to try to manage the confusion as best we can.  Next time we'll
> do a better job of communicating this ahead of time.
>
> Thanks!
> Matt
>
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> *From:* Jaesuk Ahn [bluejay.ahn at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 10, 2020 4:46 PM
> *To:* WALTERS, ANDREW
> *Cc:* airship-discuss at lists.airshipit.org
> *Subject:* Re: [Airship-discuss] Airship Community Events: US Daylight
> Savings Time
>
> Dear All,
>
> Regarding meeting time, I do want to suggest that it should be fixed based
> on UTC, not based on a certain country's local time zone.
>
> IMHO, although the most participants are from a certain country, ensuring
> a common / fixed meeting time regardless of each region's local time change
> is important for the global community.
>
> Thank you.
>
>
>
>
> 2020년 3월 10일 (화) 오전 4:54, WALTERS, ANDREW <aw442m at att.com>님이 작성:
>
>> Hello all,
>>
>> We have been experiencing issues with the airship-discuss mail server,
>> and some messages have not reached everyone. Please see the email below
>> from Alex Hughes regarding Airship community meeting times.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Drew Walters
>> Airship Working Committee
>>
>>
>> > Hello Airship Community,
>>
>> > Please be advised that meetings are scheduled in US Central Time. As a
>> > result of daylight saving time over the weekend meeting times for those
>> that
>> > do not observe daylight saving time will be moving backwards by 1 hour.
>>
>> > For example, a meeting previously held at 10:00 CST / 16:00 UTC will be
>> > changing to 10:00 CDT / 15:00 UTC.
>>
>> > Please be on the lookout for updated calendar invitations from meeting
>> > organizers. For more information please see the Airship
>> > wiki<https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Airship
>> <https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__wiki.openstack.org_wiki_Airship&d=DwMFaQ&c=LFYZ-o9_HUMeMTSQicvjIg&r=_C5hC_103uW491yNPPpNmA&m=570G9IYyu1a49C01UbXRH0wICgOS3TVoCM-iJ_mD03U&s=JNCp38CzSdBH9e3xYQ4nNVs1VZNWHaXkmYzBY-h4kPE&e=>>
>> which was updated this morning
>> > to reflect the time changes.
>>
>> > Regards,
>> > Alexander Hughes
>>
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